Richard Cloutier: Hump Day Randoms

first!!! wooohoooo

I agree with you about Colorado, this move screams re-build and I won't be surprised when Stastny is dealt.

No attack on the Leafs? You're going soft in your old age Clouts.

Richard Cloutier: Hump Day Randoms
- Maxbone

Where did you hear about Whitney? I hope he is back to 100%, and gets all his movement and agility back.

Love to get Smid under 4 mill per, but I could see your contract happening.

No attack on the Leafs? You're going soft in your old age Clouts.
- walshyleafsfan1

That horse has been beaten dead long ago.

Richard Cloutier: Hump Day Randoms
- Maxbone

Horc should keep it one more year then give it up. Hall will wear the C and not Ebs.

I've also heard rumblings about Duschesne in Denver. Not sure what thats about.

That horse has been beaten dead long ago.
- robin_steele264

happy someone said it about the video. I can understand the players position about the league wanting more the 50% of revenues, it is ridiculous and should never have been the starting point. They should of started with a 50/50 offer and slowly met in the middle. All that being said the video, as epic as it was, was pathetically one-sided and if there is a lockout the players are just as much to blame as the owners considering the offers each side has presented.

The league should end the BS and make a 'final offer' that solves all the major issues they have and gives the owners slightly more percentage but make it something the players can accept.

First we need to figure out what the major issues are then find solutions.

Front-loaded Mega Contracts.

Solutions:

- max 5 year deals (there is no problem with this, at worst player will have to sign 4-5 contracts in their careers. Big deal, most players average more than this as it is, the mega-contracts are a joke.)

- no yearly salary may be less than 75% of the the highest paid year (if someone wants to make 12M in years 1 & 2 then they cannot make less than 9M in any other given year. This with the other rule completely ends the cap circumventing contracts for good. Heck worse case: 12M, 9M, 9M, 9M, 9M = 9.6M cap hit. Big deal)

The only other 'major issue' for the NHL is the profit sharing which they cannot ever hope to get the players to agree to a 50/50 split. So instead why not offer something like this:

(assuming a 6 year CBA deal)
Year 1 & 2: 56%
Year 3 & 4: 55%
Year 5 & 6: 54%

This lowers the players cut to a more reasonable number without cutting all of their profits at once. 54% is a very acceptable number especially if it isn't reduced there immediately. Should league profits keep rising as they expect it to this will not affect anything.

After that the other things the NHL wants are small and can likely be agreed upon by the NHLPA.

Examples:

- lower the 35+ rule by a year (very nice with a 5 max year contract, no chance of anyone signing a contract they never expect to finish)

- extend RFAs by one year (if someone would be a UFA at age 26 then it is delayed until age 27... I know that there are number of games minimums and whatnot but they can expand that by a season's worth as well. No need for 5 year entry level BS deals.)

They are not that important but nice to have all around.

Anyway sorry for my rant but it really seems like the league and the NHLPA are run by a bunch of children, it is so easy to find reasonable middle grounds in theory, it is only people that stop them.

Heck look at the NHL's alignment proposal, while I understand it wasn't 100% fair and they wanted something more fair they didn't have to flat out say no and not look for another solution. Hell I made one within 2 hours and even made a neat little graphic (mostly just copying the graphic I found online). It solved the unfair playoff chances %, still used the home and home idea, and even had a solution for the playoffs so that there is a possibility of a Toronto/Montreal or Edmonton/Calgary Stanley Cup Final. You cannot tell me the league reps made up of lawyers and businessmen cannot figure out something that took me 2 hours to poop out. lol.

Once again, sorry for my rant.

Where did you hear about Whitney? I hope he is back to 100%, and gets all his movement and agility back.

Love to get Smid under 4 mill per, but I could see your contract happening.
- robin_steele264

http://oilersnation.com/2...u-used-to-be-ryan-whitney

"I feel 100 times better right now than I did last August," Whitney said. "It's not even comparable to a year ago. I've had a full summer of working out and that's something I didn't have the last couple years. I feel really good."

"There's maybe a little issue here and there with the stability of it, but you've got to adjust and players adjust to all kinds of injuries," Whitney said. "The big thing is I can skate without that pain."

I agree with you about Colorado, this move screams re-build and I won't be surprised when Stastny is dealt.
- duxcup07

They are in the middle of a rebuild...

They are in the middle of a rebuild...
- Drij

Funny how things change. After 09-10 Avs fans mocked the Oil for having to rebuild saying they didn't have to rebuild. Now they are in the middle of one.

Funny how things change. After 09-10 Avs fans mocked the Oil for having to rebuild saying they didn't have to rebuild. Now they are in the middle of one.
- Lahey

huh the avs started rebuilding in 09... when they drafted Duchene, O'Reilly...

Richard Cloutier: Hump Day Randoms
- Maxbone

We'd miss horcoff if we got rid of him. Why get this far into his terrible contract and them move as its starting to not be so bad? Until we can play a season without horcoff doing all the Oilers sir work by himself we can't afford to get rid of him.

We'd miss horcoff if we got rid of him. Why get this far into his terrible contract and them move as its starting to not be so bad? Until we can play a season without horcoff doing all the Oilers sir work by himself we can't afford to get rid of him.
- Morris

If there is a cap reduction without a salary rollback, you can do without Horcoff. You replace him with a 2mil player.

Matt Duchene had 28 points last year, he's not in a position to be demanding out of anywhere.

Matt Duchene had 28 points last year, he's not in a position to be demanding out of anywhere.
- isles10289

Tell that to Linus Omark

Tell that to Linus Omark
- Lahey

Duchene just signed a new contract. Omark didn't.

Matt Duchene had 28 points last year, he's not in a position to be demanding out of anywhere.
- isles10289

Except he's got more credibility than most, is young and most teams would take him.

We'd miss horcoff if we got rid of him. Why get this far into his terrible contract and them move as its starting to not be so bad? Until we can play a season without horcoff doing all the Oilers sir work by himself we can't afford to get rid of him.
- Morris

its not his work ethic or skill set that people hate..it's the contract. u know this.
stoked to have him at 3rd line center, killing penalties and playing some tough minutes. just not at 5+ million.
i believe we could find someone comparable at half the price

Matt Duchene had 28 points last year, he's not in a position to be demanding out of anywhere.
- isles10289

Matt duchene would be highly coveted by the majority of teams

so Matt Duchene took a discounted contract so that he could prove his worth to the Avalanche organization.
his childhood dream is to lift the cup wearing an Avs jersey
but now all of a sudden he wants out?

If there is a cap reduction without a salary rollback, you can do without Horcoff. You replace him with a 2mil player.
- Lahey

its not his work ethic or skill set that people hate..it's the contract. u know this.
stoked to have him at 3rd line center, killing penalties and playing some tough minutes. just not at 5+ million.
i believe we could find someone comparable at half the price
- hugefemale dog77

I agree. It's just that our management have been really in the past at filling simple needs. I'm not convinced they'll go out and get such a player. Even if they do get a player, he might not be as good, or might not mean that much in savings (Somewhere around Gaustad, Stoll, Fisher i.e 3.5 million)

From my perspective, (a player like) Horcoff is an integral part of the Oiler's potential for success. And after struggling three years of Horcoff's contract, two things have changed: a) compared to the NHL, he's not as overpaid as he used to be and b) the prevalence of cap floor teams taking on big contracts for financial reasons has risen. I'm not convinced that in a year or two's time, he won't be moveable.

But like I said, it's all about what they'd do if they sent him packing. Horcoff without replacement on the Oilers could easily spell disaster.

so Matt Duchene took a discounted contract so that he could prove his worth to the Avalanche organization.
his childhood dream is to lift the cup wearing an Avs jersey
but now all of a sudden he wants out?
- veilofdarkness

Yeah. Sorta ironic when you think about it.

Yeah. Sorta ironic when you think about it.
- Maxbone

Even more so when he commented after signing the contract that he doesnt want to go anywhre else and took the short discounted deal bc he wanted to earn his next contract.